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Sun’s Out, Facts Out: Rethinking Sun Safety

• Tina, Lauren & Cassie • Season 1 • Episode 9

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Slip, slop, slap… or maybe just slip into this episode first. We’re taking a good hard look at sunscreen, sun exposure, and what "sun safety" really means.

From the hidden nasties in your SPF to the feel-good benefits of soaking up some rays, we’re questioning the mainstream narrative and chatting through some eye-opening alternatives. There’s a bit of history, a bit of science, and a whole lot of real-life stories — including homemade sunscreen experiments, black salve experiences, and how sound therapy might play a role in cancer care.

It’s sun safety… but not as you know it.

In this episode:

  • Sunscreen: friend or foe?
  • Why sunglasses might be messing with your brain
  • Can diet protect you from sun damage?
  • The truth about Vitamin D
  • Natural SPF options and DIY solutions
  • Stories from the frontlines of skin cancer and alternative treatments
  • Is the Cancer Council getting it wrong?
  • How complementary therapies can work alongside conventional care

Whether you're a sun worshipper or shade dweller, this chat will get you thinking twice before you slap on the SPF 50.

00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks

00:08 The Importance of Sunscreen

02:09 Ingredients in Sunscreen

02:50 Natural Sunlight vs. Sunscreen

04:18 The Role of Sunglasses

06:27 Historical Perspectives on Sun Exposure

07:00 Diet and Sun Protection

09:13 Personal Experiences and Testimonials

12:31 Homemade Sunscreen Solutions

17:21 Final Thoughts on Sunscreen and Sun Exposure

19:21 Personal Experiences with Sunscreen

19:25 Natural SPF Ingredients

19:59 Common Sense and Sunscreen Use

21:15 Questioning Cancer Council's Sunscreen

23:03 Black Salve and Skin Cancer

25:37 Personal Stories of Skin Cancer

29:29 Theories on Cancer and Biopsies

34:56 Complementary Medicine and Sound Therapy

38:45 Conclusion and Future Plans



Catch Tina in the OmMade Wellness Hub

https://www.instagram.com/ommadewellnesshub/

See what Lauren is up to at Eco Play Therapy

https://www.instagram.com/ecoplaytherapy/

Let Cassie Concierge your life at Soluna Concierge. Currently on a break but relaunching soon.

https://www.instagram.com/soluna_concierge/


MIC1:

We're on. All right, Lauren, take it away.

MIC2:

Me again. sorry. Oh, I just introduced the last one. This one I wanted to talk about because we are coming into summer and I've got a little bit to say about sunscreen. Lost my train of thought. Because the problem is have these little chats before we start recording and we say all this stuff and then we get on and then we press record. We're like, ah, what did I say? Oh,

MIC1:

Oh, we just need to

MIC2:

I don't

MIC1:

24 7.

MIC2:

can't be bothered repeating myself, but no one heard that.

MIC3:

so. Yeah.

MIC2:

Really? Okay, so the sun, right? The sun, that's. Yep.

MIC1:

yep.

MIC2:

The sun that's been

MIC3:

here since

MIC2:

the dawn of time that's been here since day dot. However you believe Day Dot began the sun's been here, hasn't it? Yes. Agreed. Yes. How long has sunscreen been here? Okay.

MIC1:

I think

MIC2:

Is there more sunscreens available now than ever before? Yes

MIC3:

Oh, it's unbelievable.

MIC2:

Is there more cases of skin cancer now than ever before? Yes.

MIC1:

As they say, correlation doesn't equal causation, but we can use our common sense.

MIC2:

So is it linked A little bit sunscreen and skin cancer

MIC1:

my opinion, a thousand percent.

MIC2:

I'm not gonna come out and make that claim by any means, and I have had some things cut outta my body that I have been told were cancerous or about to turn I have been scared of getting sunburnt. I have been wearing sunscreen up until the last couple of years.

MIC3:

We as youngsters, slips slop slap. That was adverts all over the tv. What was the first thing before you went outside? Your parents say, put some sunscreen and a hat on.

MIC2:

Yeah.

MIC1:

But as far as, and that's probably another episode altogether cancema, black salve. That's,

MIC2:

oh, we'll talk about that. But

MIC1:

yeah. Bring we'll circle back to

MIC2:

that. Yeah. So when we were just sitting here before I thought, why are we so fearful of this natural, We can't exist without the sun. It's responsible for all forms of life. But we are all fearing it. We are getting out of it. We are covering up. We don't want it. But just have a listen to this. I've just Googled what are the ingredients in common sunscreens. I'm not gonna pronounce them properly, but here we go. Homo Octo chlorine, octal sate,

MIC1:

Solicitate,

MIC2:

methyl X. You could probably say this. Meso x diz. I don't have my glasses. Meth. Di

MIC1:

di benzo methane.

MIC2:

Benzone. Bemo to ol bemo.

MIC1:

olol.

MIC2:

Ol, what's this one? Ethanol x Trione

MIC1:

Ethel. Heil Trione.

MIC2:

She can say it all. I can't even say it. That makes me not want to put that in my body because I can't even say it. So people who, not I don't wanna be crazy here, but if you are fearful of the natural sunlight. But you are not scared to slap all this over your body because you would know better than me, Tina, but isn't our skin what we put in our skin just absorbs straight into our bloodstream, right?

MIC1:

A certain percentage of it, yeah. It's the largest organ. That's why nicotine patches work. that's why medication that, they use patches for medication because your skin absorbs it. So it's not a,

MIC2:

so it's not much different than eating it.

MIC1:

This is, my, whole theory of my business, if you can't eat it, don't put it on your skin.

MIC2:

If I went and got all these things and mix them up into a little potion and fed it to people, would they comply? Would they eat it?

MIC1:

They wouldn't eat it. And if you fed it to your child, you'd probably go to jail. for poisoning them, the sun

MIC2:

is the scary

MIC3:

Yeah. Yep.

MIC2:

Yeah, that was just what I was chatting about, but I don't wanna sound crazy

MIC3:

And what does that do that, what does that block? Okay, that blocks UV rays, which triggered the skin to make vitamin D, which is crucial for bone health immunity and mood. Wearing sunglasses also blocks out vitamin D production. And what does that do also? So the morning sun. Is essential for regulating circadian rhythm. So direct sun from the ambient light helps set your internal clock.

MIC1:

Just something on this, on the sunglasses, right? So I stopped wearing'em a little while ago and I did speak about this quite a few years ago, but then kept wearing sunglasses. But more and more studies have come out and or people talking about it. Your eyes. Your eyes detect the amount of UV light in the sky, and then sends a signal to your brain, which then triggers the amount of melanin that your skin produces. The melanin is the protective part of your skin. So you don't get burn, you don't get skin damage, you don't get skin cancers. So if you walk out with sunglasses on you, you're getting a false reading. Your brain is thinking that it's the uvs not as high. So you're not producing enough melanin to protect your skin.

MIC2:

That's so interesting.

MIC3:

and

MIC2:

because sunglasses are

MIC3:

seriously, how long have sunglasses been around for? Too

MIC2:

fashion statement.

MIC3:

God. Or whatever you believe in. That started all of this. We didn't get born with sunglasses on, we got born with eyes on our head and a in the sky. So obviously there's reasons for that. Like everything you

MIC1:

don't see birds flying around with little sun sunglasses on, but also, the sun, we every form of life on the planet requires the sun. How is that the enemy?

MIC2:

That's right. Like our plants like, like I grow my own veggies. I can't grow vegetables without sun. I've have to move my vegetable garden beds into sunnier spots so that my tomatoes can thrive. That is no different to

MIC1:

But also if you, any new chooks, don't eat the vegetables. They don't produce the eggs, which then you have, it's everything requires the sun.

MIC2:

we are fearing the sun. We are telling people, get out of the sun. It will kill you.

MIC1:

It makes me question whether the whole never look at the sun is a load of

MIC3:

shit sun. Well, now that they're saying that we are, we should look at the sun.

MIC1:

Right.

MIC3:

to a degree that those suns rays are, our eyes are actually designed to take those

MIC1:

Do you know there's some people sun bake their butthole

MIC3:

Yeah. I did I send you that the other day? Yeah. No, but I, oh no. Look that

MIC1:

We don't do that. No. putting

MIC2:

What else used to happen? That, if you were in hospital or you had surgery or you'd been really ill, they would actually wheel you up to the, very top floor of the hospital right up the top and put you in the sun. The

MIC1:

solariums

MIC2:

That was part of your healing. And they still have sometimes when you go up the very top of the old hospitals, maybe old RAH The top floor of the hospital where you park. In the old days, that's where they would take you up there and put you out in the sun.

MIC1:

But see, some people

MIC2:

there's so many benefits,

MIC1:

argue that, oh, they learned that the sun causes cancer and that's why they don't do it anymore. But really happened is our food has changed so much. So we are eating rancid seed oils. We're not eating good healthy fats. We are not getting the right. Signals to our brain to, to produce enough melanin. Um, and we are also not getting enough cholesterol, so we need the cholesterol for the sunlight to turn to create vitamin D, right? So it's a two part process. You can't go out in the sun if you don't have enough cholesterol in your diet. And then you've got everyone on statins

MIC2:

every second person over the age of 50 or 60 is taking cholesterol tablets.

MIC3:

That's right. So it creates an avalanche of health problems. Exactly. Water also produces the sunlight, produces serotonin and a lot of depressed people out there. Depressed because,

MIC2:

getting sun. Oh.

MIC1:

two week lockdown, you, you have to stay in

MIC3:

your home. Absolutely. You

MIC1:

hour out in the sun. Is this about health

MIC3:

And it does lack of sun. They even say lack of exposure to sunlight is heavily linked to depression and mental health

MIC1:

They call it sads Sun. Sun avoidant. What? No, what's the disease? Oh, it's like the depression, sun avoidance, depression syndrome or something like that. It's basically. It's SADS. Yeah. It's what term it and it's people who

MIC3:

Hermit inside, including? I've been through that. You just don't wanna come out your room. You don't

MIC1:

it's cold and yucky, people think, oh, just stay inside. But who cares if it's raining? Get an umbrella. Yeah. Put a jacket on for God's sakes.

MIC3:

And what do people always feel better doing? Like you said, Lauren, probably not even just, just getting outside as, as a sick patient in hospital, of course you wanna get out and have some sunlight. Yeah. And fresh air and you're gonna feel better. Yeah. You're not gonna go out there and they go, I feel worse

MIC2:

And look, it does burn you. And I don't wanna get sunburnt. And it also,

MIC1:

it will burn you if you are, like, if you number one, don't have enough cholesterol. Yeah. Number two are wearing sunglasses. Yeah. And number three, maybe don't go out at 1230 when the UV is peak. Maybe, but

MIC2:

up with

MIC1:

look at

MIC2:

we went to Okay to

MIC1:

Sun bakes all the time. Yeah.

MIC3:

Yeah. Yeah.

MIC2:

We went to the beach at your house last summer and it was so hot. But I was too scared to wear sunscreen, so I just wore like a long sleeve kind of cotton shirt, When I was in Yeah, that's right. Or wear your big. Wide brim hat when it's the middle of the day and it's full sun. Yeah.

MIC1:

Yeah. Even a sheep will sit under the tree in the heat of the

MIC3:

I have to

MIC2:

sensible about it. Find some shade. You don't wanna get so sunburnt

MIC3:

have to say things like that. Even as a young person though, and I don't know if this is my. English Irish blood in me. I actually physically don't like too much heat or sun on me. I always go for the shade. I love the sun, I love being outside, but I can't, even, when we were young, everyone would go out and sun bake. I literally could be five minutes and I'm like searching for the shade.

MIC1:

Yeah. I'm a bit like that

MIC3:

I don't really, yeah, I'll slap on the fake tan, which is so good for you.'cause there's no chemicals in

MIC1:

talk about the chemicals in fake turn

MIC3:

know.

MIC2:

saying we're perfect. We're

MIC3:

something. See, we're not, yeah yeah, so what I'm saying is I find out, but I'm actually trying to train myself to be in the sunlight a bit more. So I'm like, all right, I'll go out for 10, 15 minutes. Again, I'm not gonna go sit out there in like 42 degree heat and burn the living crap outta myself, but I am, I'm noticing when I go out and I do get some direct sunlight on my skin. Oh, do you feel a lot

MIC2:

better? Yeah. Yeah. Lycopene

MIC1:

is very

MIC3:

for your mental health.

MIC1:

To eat. So tomatoes, so think about Italians. It, they eat a lot of tomatoes. Yeah. They have olive skin, they have a lot of sun exposure. Lycopene in tomatoes is very protective

MIC2:

and interesting. That tomato is a summer fruit that harvests in the summer. So it's almost again. Yeah. It's always been the case. We have been provided with everything we need in nature. That's exactly right. But those ingredients that I couldn't even pronounce, we are gonna put that all over us to keep us safe

MIC3:

and our children.

MIC2:

Let's eat a whole heap of tomatoes.

MIC3:

And

MIC1:

you say you go out in the sun, right? A little experiment. You've got one person that has no sunglasses, no sunscreen. They've eaten an avocado and an egg and their cholesterol levels are on the higher end, no medication. And they had a bloody tomato pasta the night before.

MIC2:

Probably not gonna get too burnt.

MIC1:

Not gonna get as burnt as the person who's wearing it. Highly toxic sunscreen sunglasses, eating deep fried chips from the fish and chip shop,

MIC2:

Yeah, a bag of Doritos and then they go in, have a swim, come out. Oh, need to reapply. go in, have a swim, come out, need to reapply. That's

MIC1:

a studied that that's a actual research paper. Like they've studied it and proven. That certain chemicals in the sunscreen reacts with

MIC2:

chlorine and it is

MIC1:

very damaging. And it's a published study, so how the hell are they still selling it on a fricking shelf is beyond me

MIC2:

It is crazy

MIC3:

And in a lot of parents defense and I did when my kids were young. If you're sending your kids off to school or out for an outing, of course you're gonna wanna protect them. You don't want them to come back like a lobster with yeah. Burns. And a lot of people, again, aren't educated. They're just thinking they're doing the right thing. And there's nothing wrong with that. And we are not bagging those people. And there's, it is a, I would probably more now knowing what I know, choose to put a long sleeve top on them, a hat. Absolutely Tina's. Tina's her own sunscreen. Tina's own. Yeah. She makes her own sunscreen. So it which is absolutely, you could eat it. It's so healthy. But yeah, so I would choose something that's very natural that doesn't have all the nasties in it

MIC1:

if you have to. I wouldn't promote. My sunscreen just for the sake of wearing a sunscreen. Yeah. Yeah. One of the reasons I come up with it is because my daughter was going to kindy at the time, back when you could go to kindy when you weren't jabbed and that, the old rules of you can't go outside. Yeah. You've got a slip slop slap. And there was no way in hell that she was gonna be putting all those chemicals on. So I created a zinc based sunscreen, which is reef safe.'cause that's a whole nother issue

MIC2:

Oh, of course. Oh, the fish are dying

MIC1:

Besides the algal bloom, besides that, you know, you've got the whole issue of sunscreen and, and killing reefs. So,

MIC3:

That's scientifically proven as well. Absolutely. People. We don't talk out our,

MIC2:

we don't, but last year we put a swimming pool in at our house. I don't want people coming to my house and swimming in my pool if they've. Covered themselves in sunscreen.'cause I don't want all those chemicals No. In the water. It's hard enough to keep a pool safe with the water to swim in. But if everybody's gonna jump in my pool with all their different brands of sunscreen and poison my water with all those chemicals. Sorry.

MIC1:

That's right.

MIC2:

Don't want you there. I'll stock up on Tina Zinc.

MIC3:

Yeah. And just hand it out as I come through the

MIC2:

sleeve rashy. Yeah, but I don't want the sunscreen in the pool.

MIC1:

I'm just reading a small. Article here and it's based on the research that I just mentioned, and it says, chemical sunscreen coming into contact with chlorine have been shown to break down and form compounds that can be extremely harmful. These byproducts known as chlorinated organ organic compounds have been linked to a range of health issues including hormone disruption and even cancer.

MIC2:

Ah,

MIC1:

It's studied, it's research. You're not gonna hear about it on the Channel seven news guys. You gotta go and seek out your

MIC3:

information. Yeah, absolutely. Jump

MIC1:

on, not Google. Google Scholar. Yeah. Read Google Scholar

MIC3:

everything that's sold in the mainstream shops has, or, and medication, every, everything. If you. Read into all the ingredients, although most of'em have a warning, a health warning. Of

MIC1:

course they do, but we, most people will ignore

MIC2:

of

MIC3:

But who reads it? Who reads the packaging? Unless you are a bit more, onto that sort of thing or awakened to those things, we just, it's just become so in ground that, that. These things are, look, I never even used to think about this years and

MIC2:

Oh,

MIC3:

ago. I used to think about healthy eating and that sort of stuff, and obviously I didn't want my kids to have fizzy drink and heaps of sugar and I, I knew. A lot about the sugar and all that sort of stuff. Had no idea about sunscreen back then because sunscreen was being a responsible parent and putting that all over your child to protect them was being a responsible

MIC2:

look at the back and read all the ingredients and I don't think I realized that you've put things on your skin and it gets absorbed in. I just don't think I thought about that stuff. We had young kids. We were busy. We were just trying to do the best we could. Yeah. I really wish I could have my time over. I know you don't wanna promote your sunscreen, but I would like to know what's in it.'cause I think zinc is the main ingredient.

MIC1:

Yeah. It's 20%

MIC2:

zinc. Yeah. And when we were kids, The only thing my parents would do to us when we would go to the beach is get some zinc. Yeah. And put it on our nose.'cause no one wanted to walk around with a bright red nose. Like Rudolph. Yeah. So you'd put a bit of zinc on you, but then what would happen is you'd be rosy everywhere. And

MIC1:

then Yeah, and then a white nose. But

MIC3:

nose

MIC2:

That says to me that obviously zinc must do something. Zinc is

MIC1:

a physical protectant. So

MIC2:

So if I had to wear sunscreen, it's gonna be the one you make.

MIC1:

Yeah. The chemicals in sunscreen they're a chemical filter, so they're literally absorbing the rays and

MIC2:

holding on your skin.

MIC1:

Zinc is a physical, not a chemical, it's a physical barrier. So it actually blocks absorption directly. But this, tell the truth. Shame devil. My daughter has never used anything but my sunscreen so she's 13? No, she's Irish. She's half Irish.

MIC2:

she, yeah. Yeah. See she should be red raw. Yeah.

MIC1:

she doesn't burn.

MIC2:

And I, and this is

MIC1:

And she doesn't eat a hundred percent healthy. She's 13. They eat shit.

MIC2:

What are we eating? We lived off of hot chips and chocolate

MIC1:

She, she was always whinging that we are an

MIC2:

the right of passage when you're a teenager, I think. Yeah.

MIC1:

always whinging. We're an ingredient household, when they're outside the house,

MIC2:

but this is, I'm not lying here. This is actual true and I'll prove it to anyone somehow. Since I discovered how bad sunscreen is and stopped wearing it, I honestly have not been sunburnt. I have not been sunburnt for a couple of years now, and I always used to get sunburnt. I, the only difference I've done is stopped using sunscreen.

MIC1:

I've shown you the photo from one of my customers. Womad and she had Shouldn't probably say the name of the sunscreen,

MIC2:

i'll blurt it out bb we edit

MIC1:

Anyway she had the last of that and she squirted it on one leg and rubbed it in. And we can put this up on our Instagram and

MIC2:

yes. actually

MIC1:

show what it is and, she ran out. So she come to my stool at Womad and bought my sunscreen and put that on her other leg. And the one that she had the store bought bottle one. Yeah. Was red raw, like a lobster. And the one that she put mine on was not burnt at all. Nothing.

MIC3:

There you

MIC2:

go. And didn't we have an experience recently in Bali where you didn't wear sunglasses one day and you didn't get burnt and then you did wear sunglasses the next and you did get a little bit pinkish. I

MIC1:

Did.

MIC2:

Yeah. I remember. I saw that with my own eyes. Yeah.

MIC3:

Again, because the sun's rays goes into your body and. Is a natural me? What is that? Melanin. Melanin, yeah.

MIC1:

yeah. So your brain's triggering the amount of melanin that you need to

MIC3:

Juice. So it's doing its thing. Your body, the human body is incredible, amazing. And once you learn more about it, obviously I know hardly anything about

MIC2:

are still learning every day, aren't we?

MIC3:

yeah, it's incredible. All the different, it's, we'd made so intricately that everything has, its, its function and yeah, we are designed to do this because we weren't. Again, born with a sunscreen and a pair of suns in our hand. Here you go. Good luck.

MIC1:

do need to say I, I strongly recommend I shouldn't say that doesn't wear it, goes out, gets burnt and sues me, but

MIC2:

I know,

MIC1:

I like,

MIC2:

I want to be

MIC3:

again, it's we are not telling people what to do. We are just

MIC1:

is

MIC3:

talking we

MIC2:

could be wrong. We're going on our own personal experience. Exactly. We could be

MIC1:

And my sunscreen has not been tested by the TGA And I state that on the thing, so I can't state an SPF. All I can say is that it's 20% zinc. Yeah. Do your own research. Yeah. Have a look at what 20% zinc does, but there's other oils in there too. So shea butter has a natural SPF of four red raspberry seed oil has a natural SPF of up to 28.

MIC2:

And you could eat it

MIC1:

And you could eat it. Exactly.

MIC2:

you ate that stuff that I read out earlier, you would be very sick. This is what I love about your skincare. If you can't eat it. Then don't put it on your skin.

MIC1:

But I also wanna say we personally don't use sunscreen every day. Yeah. There are very specific times that I'll use it. So we're about to go on a 10 day camp trip. I will take the sunscreen. So if we go for a hike in the middle of the day and the sun searing, yeah, I'll probably put some in the back of my neck that's exposed. Or I'll just probably wear a collared shirt and lift it up and have a hat. More likely. Yeah. But I will take

MIC3:

it. But again, that's also many thousands, years ago, whatever, we lived in caves, you don't go and sit out in the sun for four hours and burn yourself to Yeah. You go in the cave, you go under the tree, you go under the shade. You just go out and you get. Physical sunlight

MIC1:

indigenous cultures always rest in the middle heat of the day. They're not out

MIC3:

common sense. It's common sense. So I don't want people to start going, oh, they're saying don't use sunscreen. And then, I went out all day and got absolutely fried. Come on.

MIC2:

Like everything we talk about comes down to common sense, use your

MIC3:

it

MIC2:

Common sense,

MIC1:

unfortunately. Common sense. Isn't that common?

MIC2:

I'm not sure if I should say this, but we'll see. I think, or maybe I said

MIC3:

and it's getting more uncommon. I

MIC1:

getting worse.

MIC3:

Yeah. They're unreal. They're smart because they listen to us.

MIC2:

Oh, I dunno about that. I can't remember if I said this when we were recording or before we started recording, so I'll cut it out if I've already said it. When you donate to the cancer council

MIC3:

this is very

MIC2:

interesting is some of that money going to produce that cancer council brand? I'm for saying sunscreen. Are they making a,

MIC1:

question. You're not making a statement. You just make asking

MIC2:

then the more, oh, The more we use the sunscreen, the more we get the skin and is it going round and round in a circle? That's a very bold I'm not claiming anything.

MIC1:

you're only asking

MIC3:

You're asking questions and that's what we're supposed to be doing. I'm just

MIC1:

We're allowed to, we sometimes I

MIC2:

think

MIC1:

says we're not allowed?

MIC2:

that question, I wish I didn't think things like this. My life would be a whole lot

MIC3:

Yeah. But anything that affects us and humanity, we, we can

MIC2:

about where the money's

MIC3:

going, who's the boss of us? I love that quote. And they say, when I was born, on this world who? Could suddenly be the boss of me and tell me what I'm supposed to do, what job I'm supposed to have, how much money I can

MIC2:

I have to put on my

MIC3:

Yeah, what I have to put on my skin, what I have to inject into my body, what I can eat, what like, we're all just born onto this planet. Why there who? Why are these people thinking that they're our fucking boss?

MIC2:

Who are these people?

MIC1:

Who are these people anyway? If you do happen to get skin cancer because you've got low cholesterol or you are not eating properly and you, or you're out in the middle of the day, or you haven't. Used your common sense? Or you have a genetic,

MIC2:

I'm not, we dunno for

MIC1:

Or you have a genetic disposition Skin cancers or I've had them like, if

MIC3:

If you like me and just a pussy and hates this harsh sun beating on me.'cause it,

MIC1:

No, but

MIC3:

just feel like Im End

MIC1:

up, if you end up with skin

MIC2:

cancer, oh, are you

MIC3:

Yeah. Sorry. We can I get where you're at? Yeah.

MIC1:

Ah,

MIC2:

no. Do it. Can I look. We're Ready. Okay, well, we're already in trouble

MIC1:

If you Google Black South or caner, you'll be told how awful it right? How it can maim and scar and it doesn't get rid of cancer, and all sorts of scary things that you are like, I'm never putting this on my skin. No way in hell. Okay. Me

MIC3:

to mention isn't, haven't they tried to or have banned it?

MIC1:

Oh, it is banned. It's banned in this country. It comes in.

MIC3:

So why

MIC1:

I won't even tell.

MIC2:

You have to buy it on the

MIC1:

a hundred percent banned. You have to get it from the black marker. I can't tell you where,

MIC2:

Oh, it's like the milk.

MIC3:

that or

MIC1:

it's like raw milk. Raw

MIC2:

milk can't tell you where, how, when,

MIC1:

you're gonna have to figure that out for yourself, but just know that. Yeah. Anyway,

MIC2:

Or speak to one of the. TLC girls.

MIC1:

Yeah. Yeah. Reach out privately and we'll be checking your digital Id make sure you're not from the government anyway. I'd never heard of this thing, right? So I used to work in my dad's office. There was a guy that worked in the same complex who become friends with dad anyway, he had skin cancer on his nose and he got it cut away and it come back and he got it cut away and it come back. And this went on for about three years. In the very beginning of like his diagnosis, his first cancer, he'd come across this black salve. and the specialist at Flinders said, oh, don't waste your money. It was like$40

MIC2:

to get.

MIC1:

Right. Don't waste your money. Never touched Three years later, he's literally missing a third of his face. like the poor guy. He's basically, his face is gone. The doctor's told him to sell up everything. Buy a boat, swim out, sail off into the sunset. You are not making it right. Last ditch effort orders his cancemer. He's still here with us

MIC2:

today. Aw,

MIC1:

It worked. Amazing. What happens? What happened to him? I can only say what happened to him and what's happened to us personally. It If it's cancer, it stings and immediately feels tingly, and it's quite stingy. If it's not cancer, if it's just some kind of spot, you'll feel nothing at all. And I've tried it on both, right?

MIC2:

Oh, so again, you've got nothing to lose.

MIC1:

You've got nothing to lose. But if you Google it, they'll tell you've got everything to lose. Everything to lose it. Who knows if that's, actual story. I don't know. Like maybe it's happened to someone who knows. Can't say not them. Anyway, we've had it in our family for probably 15 years now, like we've been using in our family now. My mum about 20 years ago, had stage four melanoma. And then that's pretty

MIC2:

serious. I can remember. Yeah.

MIC1:

She actually had it cut out. She's got quite a large scar on cheek and, over the years, it has come back, it's metastasized and come back in other areas like the back of her neck, of her forehead. And every time she just puts cancemer on stings like shit. And in about two days you get a yellow ring around the actual, like the. Cancer, then it'll go crusty and it will go black. And then about seven days later it falls off and there's no scar, no nothing. The only time you'll get a scar is if you bump it and it falls off too early. Yeah, but if it, if you

MIC2:

just a bit like if you squeeze a pimple too soon when it's not ready to be squeezed and then it scars.

MIC1:

people get pimples come up and go all the time with no scars, but if you squeeze it, you can get a scar. I, myself has have used it. Paulys mom had skin cancer right on the top of her nose. She'd already had it burnt off in Ireland. Come here, it grew back. I put it on, it's never come back right. Paul recently had one on his nose'cause he's Irish and he's only, he's been in the country 21 years, so he's not used to it either. And, was slapping on sunscreen early in the early days as well and working on a job site and, probably not the healthiest diet either. So personal experience.

MIC2:

Yeah,

MIC1:

fricking

MIC3:

speaks for itself.

MIC2:

remember you told me about it and it was just a little bit too late.'cause we caught up once a few years

MIC1:

Yeah.

MIC2:

when we went to that golf day and I was on crutches and I couldn't walk'cause I'd had a skin cancer cut out. Which when I think about it, that's ridiculous. It was on the bottom of my foot. Why would I have a skin cancer on the bottom of my foot? Anyway. I did my annual

MIC1:

apparently that's how Bob Marley died was the skin cancer on the bottom of his foot

MIC2:

because they were saying, oh, you must have got sunburnt on the bottom of your foot once, maybe when you were a kid. And it's been simmering away, and now it's popped up as a cancer and we have to cut it out. I've actually got a scar on the bottom of my foot that still gives me grief sometimes. I couldn't walk for weeks. It was terrible. But then you said, oh, I wish I knew I would've given you some of this cream anyway. Yeah. But now I, it.

MIC3:

make money out of,

MIC2:

So now I would

MIC1:

can only

MIC3:

only makes money

MIC1:

can only

MIC3:

can make

MIC1:

assumptions,

MIC3:

As assuming

MIC2:

yeah, that's, oh, and maybe that doctor that cut that thing out of the bottom of my foot maybe saved my life. Maybe we won't know who,

MIC1:

you're never gonna

MIC2:

who can say, but going forward, I will always try this.

MIC3:

And we're not saying don't get skin checks and

MIC1:

oh my God, no.

MIC2:

at all,

MIC3:

any of those things,

MIC2:

and don't go out in the full sun in the middle of the day. Maybe

MIC3:

get full skin checks every year. We've got yeah, we've got skin

MIC2:

saying you've got common sense Common sense

MIC3:

Yeah. I just get skin checks

MIC1:

and

MIC3:

I'll treat it however. Yeah, we should treat it, but I'm the same. I've had so many things cut outta my body as well. And even, I've got a lot of. Moles on me, and they'll look at it. And if they don't like the look of it, even if they test a little bit, they'll go, oh, look let's just take it off. And I was like, take it off my body. I don't want it on there. You get scared. But now I'm more, let's, yeah,

MIC2:

We'll try this

MIC3:

Look after myself. Yeah. Get some suns rays, but in a like a sensible manner. And. Treat it that ha the way I wanna treat it, if it was to become something, and again, I'm not telling people any medical advice. I'm not saying

MIC1:

no. This is only my personal experience.

MIC3:

our personal experiences. It, we are not at all telling people what to do or any kind of medical advice. We are just talking about personal experiences.

MIC1:

So there is a train of thought about cancers being the body actually enveloping potentially parasitic type cells. specify. And your body protectively.

MIC3:

Like

MIC1:

cocoon, it cocoons it to protect the rest of your body. And that essentially is the tumor. This a train of thought, not necessarily mine, but this is, some the thoughts out there. Yes. And when you go and get a biopsy your piercing, that protective ball, releasing the contents of that protective tumor, which. Can then flood through the rest of your body metastasize and show up in many other places in your body. A theory out there, not my And something worth interesting thinking about.

MIC3:

Yeah. But this is the thing I think about too, because I'm of that train of thought.

MIC1:

We're being very careful

MIC3:

awful often. Yeah. Often. Often though. How long do they pierce it and they take a biopsy and then. It's weeks before they can often then go ahead and take it out. Yeah. Because the medical system's so overloaded in that time. It could wreak havoc in your body

MIC1:

You don't

MIC3:

And you, that's the Yeah, that's right. Spread through your lymphatic system. Yeah. I'm, again, this is all just trains of thought.

MIC1:

Cancer is

MIC3:

think, like I said, the body's an amazing thing. Yeah. And why wouldn't it do things like that contain cells and go into a defense mode and wrap them into a ball protect

MIC1:

And it essentially turns off apoptosis, which programs? Cell death. So your body gets damaged. Those cells turn off apoptosis. They don't die off forms a clump of cells. That's essentially what the tumor is. But the cancer's very parasitic in nature when you think about it. And. There, there's some common sense behind why people are using antiparasitic drugs with,

MIC3:

That's another podcast.

MIC2:

Yeah. Look at, look how

MIC3:

they were trying to be very careful about

MIC2:

careful where being,

MIC1:

yeah. I'm not using antiparasitic drugs for cancer. I just have heard stories of people doing so with great success.

MIC3:

good results. Yes.

MIC1:

Who knows that they might not have got those results anyway. Yeah. Without using that, we don't know that.

MIC2:

know and we don't wanna

MIC3:

talk

MIC2:

we've all been impacted by loved ones and friends and family and still are, who are

MIC3:

Yeah, that's right. It is a very sensitive cancer, so we won't very sensitive

MIC2:

claims about cancer. But

MIC3:

and everybody's

MIC2:

so far with medical research, pharmaceuticals. Technology. We've come so far, but we've got more cases of cancer right now than we've ever had before, and me being not that bright sometimes, Can't understand why. If we've come so far, we've got more cancers we seem to be going reverse That's,

MIC3:

And again, like I say, it's everybody's journey and we want people to make informed decisions that's best for them and what they're happy and feel, that is the best. But

MIC1:

but this is a prompt to go and research, right?

MIC3:

That's what

MIC1:

is not a prompt to say, this is what you should

MIC2:

Yeah. Take charge of your own body, your own health.

MIC3:

We just want them to, yeah. To make that decision for themselves. And again, come back to a choice. Have the right to choose. Yes. What. Form of medical intervention. What form of natural intervention. El McPherson, she was one that took a natural and she got really bagged for it. But why? That's her body. What is She's she's allowed to make that choice if she wants to go the natural route. What is wrong with that? And if someone wants to take a medical route. That is their choice as well. I don't want totally to become,

MIC1:

It seems very black and white though. So a lot of people will think if she took the natural route and that was the right thing to do then, and I didn't take the natural route, then I've done the wrong thing. But it's not right or wrong. It's not black or white. It's what you need to do in your stage of

MIC3:

vilify and persecute people for making a different decision to what. You would?

MIC2:

No, it comes back to respect.

MIC3:

Respect and

MIC1:

your body, your choice,

MIC3:

And even if you don't, if you wouldn't necessarily yourself take that route, you have no idea until you are faced with it. Exactly. I could make a different choice. You have no idea until you are personally faced with it. So you support that person with whatever choice decide, but course we want them to have every bit of information at

MIC1:

That, and that's what I was gonna say. You can't make a choice if you don't know what the

MIC3:

I know. Are, this is what makes me again passionate about the. They're trying to censor. They're trying to censor all these things. Yeah.

MIC1:

Yeah. Why not have the information

MIC3:

All the information, all the natural information, all the, again, like I have nurses in our, and I really respect them and I really respect a lot of the medical profession. We are not bagging them. We're not saying there's no place in society for it at all. What we are saying is that they can go, they can live in harmony, so to speak.

MIC1:

It should be complimentary, like not one or the

MIC3:

what I'm trying to say.

MIC2:

you be able to talk about your friend's experience at the. Hospital and what she's doing with sound incredible because that is the most, beautiful story about the medical world and the natural world coming together for common ground. And you're not working against each other. You are working together.

MIC1:

Yeah. And I would really like to get Kyrie. as a guest at some point as well. But Kyrie very publicly and it's on her Instagram, so I know that she's be like, there's no problem me talking about it. But she had breast cancer I think maybe 20 years ago I could be wrong. But during her journey, she actually had some sound therapy and meditation through her journey and it really calmed her. She had a I think it was a meditation expert or sound therapy. I can't think before she went in for her mastectomy, they actually did a treatment and it really calmed her down and her nervous system really relaxed and she had a great outcome with the surgery. Anyway. Years on, she does sound, bowl which

MIC2:

have all done and it's beautiful. Highly recommend,

MIC1:

right? Essentially, we're energetic beings and,

MIC2:

it was incredible. sound

MIC1:

waves are very healing. There's, there's again, scientific research on it. It's not a woo situation. It's actually real. But the St. Andrew's Hospital. They have a wellness center, and in the wellness center they have all sorts of complimentary medicine. Not alternative, but complimentary medicine. practices that their cancer patients can access. And one of those. Is sound therapy, and that's what Kyrie does in the hospital setting. So it's really a full circle moment.

MIC2:

isn't it? It's amazing. It's a beautiful story.

MIC1:

Yeah. And she's been able to really support women going in for their mastectomies and their surgery and Yeah. It's a huge part of her business and her wellness. Yeah. Journey. So complimentary. medicine.

MIC2:

And you're not gonna say this sound healing is going to cure your cancer. No. But it may help you deal with the diagnosis you've been given. Yeah. Or help with your mental health or even help you, the

MIC1:

system, relax in the nervous system, bringing you back into

MIC2:

And a positive mindset is incredible when it comes to healing.

MIC3:

Like I say,

MIC2:

nothing to lose different

MIC3:

and their right to choose whatever route they're gonna use to, get better is their own choice and we just need to have support people. Yeah. Have that support there for people and, but, it just is a passionate thing for all of us that we just want everyone to have every form of yeah. Option available to them so they can make informed decisions. That's best for them.

MIC1:

Kyrie can, when she comes on, she'll explain a lot better

MIC2:

than I'm excited to

MIC1:

Like I'm just, that was

MIC3:

very, but what a beautiful story to,

MIC2:

no,

MIC3:

end the episode on. Yeah, that's

MIC2:

one.

MIC1:

yeah. Head to Kindred self on Instagram. And Kyrie has a space in Port Adelaide called Urban Wellness, where she does soundness. Sound Baths counseling. She's actually a

MIC2:

counselor. We need to get back, actually, we need to go back and have another session.

MIC3:

was

MIC1:

Yeah. There's she's actually working in with another therapist energy therapist and we'll actually talk about that completely separate, but because that's actually really quite deep and it's yeah, it's. Fascinating. It's full on,

MIC3:

that's what we are gonna do too, going forward, is we are gonna get a lot of interesting and unbelievably expiring,

MIC1:

not just us dribbling,

MIC3:

inspiring people on talking about different topics, and that's where we're headed. So yeah. Anyway, let's we'll wrap this up. Finish

MIC2:

Great chat girls. And

MIC1:

sorry, just one last thing. We have to try all these therapies to be able to report back, don't

MIC2:

Oh, I'm into that. Definitely. No

MIC3:

Sign me up.

MIC2:

Yeah.

MIC1:

Okay. Till next time guys. Thank you.

MIC3:

See ya. We love you.

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